Threaded Mode | Linear Mode

**Reagent** · 01-13-2013, 12:23 PM

Your RP name: Reagent Baggins

Defendant's RP name: Ryouichi Shodan
Defendant's SteamID: STEAM_0:1:19035922

Date of Incident: 1/13
Time of Incident: 4:18
Time-zone for above time (UTC+/-): PST

Please describe exactly what happened, from start to finish:
Alright, To be honest i didn't really want to post this but 2 people told me that i should make a report so yeah, here i am. Alright, Burnacid is an Gundealer and i go to raid his propshop, i lockpick his fading door and kill him. However a CP starts shooting at me so i move back away and start shooting at the CP with my SG. I kill the CP, and i go back to lockpick the fading door. Once inside i see Burnacid is back and spawned himself a pistol. I kill him and started looting the riches (There were non :<). Anyways, this pretty much looks like NLR... 5 other people witnessed this, and i can prolly get a few of them to come on the forums to tell their side of the story.

Evidence/Additional Information: N/A

Burnacid · (This post was last modified: 01-13-2013 12:27 PM by Burnacid.)

So this is what happened

- He shot me @ my base
- I am allowed to go back to base as long as i don't interfere
- I look in my store, he didn't raid me there was no one there
- I get back in
- Within a minute he shows up raiding me again
- I tried to shoot him but i failed
- Then he starts complaining i NLR (still didn't raid me, killed me twice for nothing)

I explained that i can go back to my base as long as i don't interfere with what happened before. He didn't do shit so i can't say its NLR. To me its a new life, a new raid

O btw you shot me before lockpicking the first time

troll · 01-13-2013, 12:28 PM

Here is my side of the story. I watched reagent kill burnacide when he was inside from the outside of his shop(raiding of course). Burnacids shop was at the back of the yellow warehouse across from pd. But a cp also witnessed reagent kill him and chased reagent down the street, Reagent backpaddled killed the cp and came back to finish the raid on burnacids place. But when reagent got inside burnacid had a gun to kill reagent.

Burnacid · 01-13-2013, 12:29 PM

And note there was a ammo shipment in my store...

**Reagent** · 01-13-2013, 12:29 PM

(01-13-2013 12:29 PM)burnacid Wrote: And note there was a ammo shipment in my store...

what the hell does that even mean

Ryladine · (This post was last modified: 01-13-2013 10:48 PM by Ryladine.)

So, let get get this straight. You started a raid, got chased off, and came back to the person armed, who then opened fire on the person breaking in again?

How is this nlr? He had the right to come back, and since you left the raid in progress he was allowed to go in and set shop back up.

When you started lockpicking the door the second time, did you announce "I am reagent, still raiding" or did you just assume he wouldn't kill an intruder without first bothering to see who it was?

**Bee Onette** · (This post was last modified: 01-13-2013 11:08 PM by Bee Onette.)

The raid never stopped from what he is saying. According to the mods you don't have to announce the start of a raid or any part of it- I asked personally as a thief. He was just tactically killing another person who was against him during said raid. Tis allowed and doesn't negate the raid considering the CP was a part of it- and the way I see is that Burn still needed to wait five minutes or until Reagent was finished with his business. As long as Reagent didn't die and didn't call off the raid then it was still going, just postponed for a second while he killed a copper. Well, not even postponed because the CP was a part of it.

Burnacid · 01-13-2013, 11:29 PM

(01-13-2013 10:47 PM)Ryladine Wrote: So, let get get this straight. You started a raid, got chased off, and came back to the person armed, who then opened fire on the person breaking in again?

How is this nlr? He had the right to come back, and since you left the raid in progress he was allowed to go in and set shop back up.

When you started lockpicking the door the second time, did you announce "I am reagent, still raiding" or did you just assume he wouldn't kill an intruder without first bothering to see who it was?

He shot me (as a raid)
Then i came back over looked my place and there was no thief lockpicking nor in my base, nor beside my base
I went back in, spawned me a gun again
within a minute he returns starting to lockpick
he finishes lockpicking i start shooting he kills me again
Then he starts complaining NLR, still not raided my store, i explain it to him and he got killed by a cop while writing his first message

finaly i told him to make a report

Inferno IV · 01-13-2013, 11:30 PM

(01-13-2013 10:57 PM)Bee Onette Wrote: and the way I see is that Burn still needed to wait five minutes or until Reagent was finished with his business. As long as Reagent didn't die and didn't call off the raid then it was still going, just postponed for a second while he killed a copper.

Then tell me how does Burnacid know when the raid is over?
He came back home to his shop and nobody was there.

**Bee Onette** · 01-13-2013, 11:50 PM

That's not really Reagent's problem. He's a bad guy remember? Plus, the five minute rule is generally applied in that situation. If he's not out in less than five then the NLR no longer applies and he can kill him for trespassing.

**Reagent** · 01-13-2013, 11:55 PM

Location where i lockpicked the door the first place and killed Burnacid.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/fi...=120242728

I saw an CP (Example = Security guard) The CP shot at me and i retreated backwards
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/fi...=120242746

I retreat to the left wall of the Yellow warehouse and kill the CP.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/fi...=120242784

I lockpick the door to find Burnacid inside the store with an F7/P228 (Not sure) I kill him with ease.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/fi...=120242810

Please note all of this was done within 2 minutes.

Burnacid · 01-14-2013, 05:49 AM

5 minute rule does not apply on the server go read the nlr rules again.
And you were all the way over at yellow warehouse. If that was you.

How am i supposed to know you are not done..........................

Racnava · 01-14-2013, 06:13 AM

There is absolutely NO 5 minute rule. Read the rules

**Bee Onette** · 01-14-2013, 06:56 AM

Never mind about it then, it was a mistake- but when it comes down to it it's still a good estimate on a basic raid. If they've been in there for a while and leave, then it's a leave- no issues. If they were fighting to get the door open and stepped back twenty feet then how is that stopping the raid? He obviously didn't stop it as he called NLR so when it comes to it it's the raider's call whether it's over or not if they haven't died and are still in the vicinity. At this point it's the mod's decision whether to classify those screenshots as 'left' or not.

**Reagent** · 01-14-2013, 07:19 AM

Withdrawed, Because I believe it's not Burnacid's fault, he didn't know i was still raiding. Can a EC close this please.