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Ex7reMeFx · 02-03-2013, 10:28 PM

Your RP Name: Kobe Bryant

Their RP Name: Sonny Corleone
Their SteamID: |M-SG| Sonny

Date of Incident: February 2, 2013
Time of Incident: 05:20
Time-zone: GMT -5.0

Please explain exactly what happened from start to finish:
I was a Security Guard and my Boss'S (lol is my name and Pureopz) base got raided and set on fire so we had to move out. We moved to that one house with a pool behind it and we moved everything there and Mike ALREADY HAD A BASE but I believe he didn't own the house's doors except the back one. So what happened was an Admin did a cleanup and Mike was AFK, and I didn't know Mike was AFK at the time. When the clean up happened Sonny came and he started to buy all the doors while mike was AFK and since all doors were bought at the time, I couldn't do anything about it. During that time I had a small argument with Sonny (please check Logs for it) and when I got unjailed, I went back to tell Erik, who was Semi-AFK at the Time, about it too, when I got back, I saw Sonny telling Mike to sell his door. After about 4 seconds, Mike didn't say anything, and he froze him AND FORCED HIM TO SELL HIS DOOR.

|M-SG| Sonny has used his powers to force someone to sell a door, move me away from the scene WHILE TRYING TO EXPLAIN HOW WHEN CLEANUP HAPPENED NO-ONE COULD DO ANYTHING. I didn't see if Sonny owned doors or not, but I was building my Walls and when I WENT BEHIND MY HOUSE I saw Sonny ARRESTING AN AFK(20Min) for having printers.

Additional Evidence:
Talk with Mike Taco (lol is my name), and maybe even Erik Madsen (Pureopz)

Sonny · 02-03-2013, 10:37 PM

Ok so basicly what he is saying is true. There were no props but some terribly put together props off to the side. I walked over and bought all doors but one in the rear. At the time I made my way to the back, I noticed there were two printers that belonged to Mike Taco (lol my name is) so I arrested him and destroyed them, then was killed by Kobe Bryant. Afterwards I came back to my home, he broke a window and jumped into my house, I then arrested him for B&E. He then proceeded to argue with me through PM's. When they came back, I kept asking Mike Taco to sell the door, in which he kept ignoring me and running around. I froze him to talk about it and such, Kobe sat there and ranted about how the clean up (That I never even noticed) made him lose his base. I said doesn't matter, if you don't own the doors, you can't build a base in there, especially if someone else owns the building. So he kept talking loudly over me so I picked him up and moved him outside of the area so I could discuss it with the ONLY person that was needed to be involved Mike Taco -Owner of ONE door- and he removed props and sold the door after I explained things. His final statement was "You're the biggest cry baby ever, I'll just sell the doors, remove my props and raid you every 5 minutes. You are the biggest cry baby like ever." So at that the incident was over, and Kobe has since reported me.

Ex7reMeFx · 02-03-2013, 11:02 PM

My final statement? I never said SUCH THING to you.

Never said this "You're the biggest cry baby ever, I'll just sell the doors, remove my props and raid you every 5 minutes. You are the biggest cry baby like ever." if your saying I said it.

Sonny · 02-03-2013, 11:14 PM

Mike Taco said that.

Burnacid · 02-03-2013, 11:36 PM

How did you know the printers were his (not that is matters but it looks Metagaming)
How long was he afk?

I did the cleanup probably.

Sonny · 02-03-2013, 11:38 PM

He was standing by them, they were in the pool.
17 minutes at the time of arrest.

Burnacid · 02-03-2013, 11:43 PM

We allow people to be afk for 30 minutes before we demote. So its save to say the same on owned doors. You can't force a door selling if he owns them and is AFK for less the 30 min

Ex7reMeFx · (This post was last modified: 02-04-2013 01:15 AM by Ex7reMeFx.)

I wasn't metagaming, he was my boss and my job was to protect him and his stuff, I myself also owned a printer there, so it was like all our bases? And as I said, we were moving stuff and I took one of his printers to safety.

EDIT: Erik also saved one when a theif took it

SecretAgentMan · 02-04-2013, 02:23 AM

All in all, Mike still only owned one door.
Bottom line is that if you only own one door, and the rest are owned by someone else, it's theirs whether you were building there or not.
It doesn't matter if you built a metropolis around the house, he still only owned one door.
Cleanup makes no difference to this either.
tl;dr You only owned one door, so Sonny had the right to do that.

**Bee Onette** · (This post was last modified: 02-04-2013 03:03 AM by Bee Onette.)

All depends on the door he owned- the entrances/exits are the only important doors. The inside ones are unimportant. If he owned an exit door then since he bought it before Sunny, the house is his- he had it first, doesn't matter if he hadn't gotten to the second. I believe a member just recently got warned because he bought a door on someone's property. An exit one at that, the man had bought 2/3 exit doors and the minge refused to give his door up. If just an inside door, he was wasting money. In other words, he bought unowned doors to another's property and instead of getting the property he was told he was being a minge by mods and was kicked I believe.
EDIT: This is the thread in which the thief bought one of the doors after a disconnect- since he only bought one AFTER they had bought theirs, he was kicked. This is a similar situation- guy buys one door, and according to the story was afk, Sonny buys the second before he can get to it. If anything check the logs to decide who bought the first entrance/exit.
http://www.seriousroleplayinghell.com/sh...?tid=15590

SecretAgentMan · 02-04-2013, 03:16 AM

(02-04-2013 02:29 AM)Bee Onette Wrote: All depends on the door he owned- the entrances/exits are the only important doors. The inside ones are unimportant. If he owned an exit door then since he bought it before Sunny, the house is his- he had it first, doesn't matter if he hadn't gotten to the second. I believe a member just recently got warned because he bought a door on someone's property. An exit one at that, the man had bought 2/3 exit doors and the minge refused to give his door up. If just an inside door, he was wasting money. In other words, he bought unowned doors to another's property and instead of getting the property he was told he was being a minge by mods and was kicked I believe.
EDIT: This is the thread in which the thief bought one of the doors after a disconnect- since he only bought one AFTER they had bought theirs, he was kicked. This is a similar situation- guy buys one door, and according to the story was afk, Sonny buys the second before he can get to it. If anything check the logs to decide who bought the first entrance/exit.
http://www.seriousroleplayinghell.com/sh...?tid=15590

Even with that being he had bought an exit door, if he decides to go AFK, and Sonny buys the entrance, AND all of the inside doors, that kind of outweighs the fact that he had one exit door.

**Bee Onette** · (This post was last modified: 02-04-2013 03:25 AM by Bee Onette.)

(02-04-2013 02:29 AM)Bee Onette Wrote: The inside ones are unimportant.

The inside doors mean nothing- it's been said that as long as they own the outside, the building is theirs. Since he owned the outside door before Sonny did, he should own the property- going AFK can't always be stopped. Why should Sonny be given in-game advantage over a person who can't react? Same for the AFK arrest. 'A person who owns the front doors has right to all doors.' Therefore a seniority system should be in effect, just like when the thief bought one of Church/Poltergeist's doors in Doom's report. And by that rule, which has already been judged correct in said case, Sonny didn't own the property.

SecretAgentMan · 02-04-2013, 03:27 AM

(02-04-2013 03:21 AM)Bee Onette Wrote:
(02-04-2013 02:29 AM)Bee Onette Wrote: The inside ones are unimportant.

The inside doors mean nothing- it's been said that as long as they own the outside, the building is theirs. Since he owned the outside door before Sonny did, he should own the property- going AFK can't always be stopped. Why should Sonny be given in-game advantage over a person who can't react? Same for the AFK arrest. 'A person who owns the front doors has right to all doors.' Therefore a seniority system should be in effect, just like when the thief bought one of Church/Poltergeist's doors in Doom's report. And by that rule, which has already been judged correct in said case, Sonny didn't own the property.

Again,
1 outside door<1 outside door, and all of the other doors.

Wazzy · 02-11-2013, 12:46 PM

It is up to the player to buy the FRONT door if he wishes to own a house. Sonny managed to acquire the front door along with all the other, inside doors and so Sonny had claim to the building. As for arresting, being AFK does not protect you from being arrested if you have something illegal. Being AFK simply means that you are essentially not there, not that you have any RP advantage over anyone else. Therefor, no action will be taken against Sonny.